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When orchestras started doing tryouts behind an opaque screen, they found that their previous insistence that women couldn't play as well as men was bogus, because the interviewees that got the job were 50/50 male and female. You could get a third party to white out the gender cues on resumes before you sort them into the shortlist, and then conduct interviews over text skype.

But honestly, someone who uses the concept "ugly women" is failing so hard at sexism already they might as well be a character from "Mad Men".



But honestly, someone who uses the concept "ugly women" is failing so hard at sexism already they might as well be a character from "Mad Men".

I suspect you mean they are succeeding at being sexist?

Also, why is it sexist to acknowledge that some people are better looking than others? Clearly, making this sort of judgment about a non-customer-facing role is inappropriate, but is it wrong to acknowledge that looks play a part in customer contact[1] roles?

[1] In person, obviously. No one care what the call center person looks like as long as they speak English.


TIL finding a woman ugly is considered hardcore sexism. PC has moved beyond self-mockery at this point, it's surreal.


This is not art appreciation nor is it dating, it isn't even clothes modelling, it's product promotion. Have a little professionalism.


Don't be an ass. Today you learned, at most, that at least one person thinks that finding a woman ugly is hardcore sexism.

More generally, calling things "PC" is a lazy shortcut, a straw man attack.

I mean, unless someone actually sincerely says to you "oh, reinhardt, you mustn't say XYZ, I want you to be politically correct". In that case, mock away.

I absolutely disagree with JulianMorrison (that "us[ing] the concept 'ugly women' is failing so hard at sexism ..."). My disagreement has nothing to do with suspecting him of being "PC", nor do I dismiss other related claims from other people because of the existence of this statement.


We're talking about advertising where visual appeal is a key part.




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